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make him say on the news that there were rebuilding iraq you're working to rebuild iraq. i was kind of sick of hearing c.n.n. and fox news like barky each other about one say oh it's. you know the horrible things they are iraq and i kind of want to see it for myself you know. i joined the military when i was a teenager nineteen in basic training. like halfway through my tour i told my unit that i was willing to kill any human beings . i certainly interested. asking this one question are you willing to do your job if i was a say no it would have been like oh this guy's be insubordinate throw in jail you know i mean so like i came to conclusion like they're basically in slavery we hear i have to say yes you know i'm actually walking the town with a rifle but instead of using the camera. this is one of the girls and it's her town. one boy they don't know where one of the other bullets hit a little girl on the shoulder and she ended up dying from that shoulder injury. it was the last leg bit a happiness i had i was who a breaking point i was i was you know near suicidal yeah.
make him say on the news that there were rebuilding iraq you're working to rebuild iraq. i was kind of sick of hearing c.n.n. and fox news like barky each other about one say oh it's. you know the horrible things they are iraq and i kind of want to see it for myself you know. i joined the military when i was a teenager nineteen in basic training. like halfway through my tour i told my unit that i was willing to kill any human beings . i certainly interested. asking this one question are you...
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the camp say on the news that there were rebuilding iraq you're working to rebuild iraq. i was kind of sick of hearing c.n.n. and fox news like barky each other about one say oh it's good to know the horrible things going on around iraq and i kind of want to see it for myself you know. i joined the military when i was a teenager nineteen in basic training.
the camp say on the news that there were rebuilding iraq you're working to rebuild iraq. i was kind of sick of hearing c.n.n. and fox news like barky each other about one say oh it's good to know the horrible things going on around iraq and i kind of want to see it for myself you know. i joined the military when i was a teenager nineteen in basic training.
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in iraq, it was done on the ground. i don't see any potential or any kind of limited raid to really make a real difference on the ground. i do see a huge potential for assad to turn around and say, i survived, and you know what i'm going to do now, i'm going to use chemical weapons again, and what are you going to do about did? that's the easiest thing for him to do, and i think it's almost certain that that's what he will do? >> if that does happen. what then? >> well, what concerns me, is not only that he can use it again. and then we have to repeat this with no end in sight and no strategy, and no clear political objectives, but even if assad is overthrown, and this mixed bag of opposition groups comes pouring in to damascus, what does that mean? i mean, there's an aftermath in here that could be even worse than what we see. we keep saying no boots on the ground. we had two administrations, first bush administration and the clinton administration, that did not want to put boots on the ground in iraq, i think successf
in iraq, it was done on the ground. i don't see any potential or any kind of limited raid to really make a real difference on the ground. i do see a huge potential for assad to turn around and say, i survived, and you know what i'm going to do now, i'm going to use chemical weapons again, and what are you going to do about did? that's the easiest thing for him to do, and i think it's almost certain that that's what he will do? >> if that does happen. what then? >> well, what...
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i remember iraq. secretary hagel remembers iraq. general dempsey especially remembers iraq but secretary hagel and i and many of you sitting remember iraq in the special way because we were here for that vote. we voted. and so we are especially sensitive, chuck and i, to never again asking any member of congress to take a vote on faulty intelligence. that is why our intelligence community has scrubbed sean rerescrubed the evidence. we have declassified unprecedented amounts of information. we ask the american people and rest of the world to judge that information. we can tell you beyond any reasonable doubt that our evidence proves the assad regime prepared for this attack, issued instructions to prepare for this attack, warned its own forces to use gas masks, that we have physical evidence of where the rockets came from and when. not one rocket landed in regime controlled territory. not one. all of them landed in opposition controlled or contested territory. we have a map, physical evidence, showing every geographical point of impa
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how we believe them after what happened in iraq? >> the problem is not to believe them or what the intelligence is . i think there will be a new report. it will be a clear report. everybody is quite aware that evidence against the regime in this size case, even though it has to be proved. there is a much bigger problem beyond that, beyond establishing the fact and evidence on the chemical attack. it is the question of what do we do? what is the strategy? everybody is talking about punitive strikes. what is beyond punitive strikes? this is a much bigger problem than just establishing the fact and having a reaction. for the congressman, like for the french mps, this is the main problem now. how do we retaliate and ensure that the retaliation is not more risky than doing nothing? and how does it fit with the global strategy? we know that punitive action will not change the course of the war. >> we will pick up on those points when we come back. >> welcome back. before we resume, a sample of the stories we will be following at the top o
how we believe them after what happened in iraq? >> the problem is not to believe them or what the intelligence is . i think there will be a new report. it will be a clear report. everybody is quite aware that evidence against the regime in this size case, even though it has to be proved. there is a much bigger problem beyond that, beyond establishing the fact and evidence on the chemical attack. it is the question of what do we do? what is the strategy? everybody is talking about...
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and in iraq, more than 171,000. on the boarder and he joins us now. >> we have seen a very very large surge of refugees and these camps growing very quickly, give us an idea of what it is like there? >> well, i tell you, conditions are very tough, as you would expect in a refugee camp. let me show you how this place has drown. when i first arrived here, about two weeks ago, this catch was about two-thirds full. now, you can see it's stretches all the way over to the hill there. there are about 1,000 people still arriving across the syrian borderer single day. and in total, there are about 220,000 refugees here in northern iraq. 52,000 have arrived in the last couple of weeks, and the head of the united nations refugee agency here the iraq has said is they face a massive funding crisis. they have only been given a third of the money that they were promised so they are struggling. when we speak to the united nations staff on the drowned here, they say yeah, we are struggling we need more tents. we need to get paragrap
and in iraq, more than 171,000. on the boarder and he joins us now. >> we have seen a very very large surge of refugees and these camps growing very quickly, give us an idea of what it is like there? >> well, i tell you, conditions are very tough, as you would expect in a refugee camp. let me show you how this place has drown. when i first arrived here, about two weeks ago, this catch was about two-thirds full. now, you can see it's stretches all the way over to the hill there....
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in iraq, it was done on the ground. i don't see any potential or any kind of limited raid to really make a real difference on the ground. i do see a huge potential for assad to turn around and say, i survived, and you know what i'm going to do now, i'm going to use chemical weapons again, and what are you going to do about it? that's the easiest thing for him to do, and i think it's almost certain that that's what he will do? >> if that does happen, what then? >> well, what concerns me is not only that he can use it again. and then we have to repeat this with no end in sight and no strategy, and no clear political objectives, but even if assad is overthrown, and this mixed bag of opposition groups comes pouring in to damascus, what does that mean? i mean, there's an aftermath in here that could be even worse than what we see. we keep saying no boots on the ground. we had two administrations, first bush administration and the clinton administration, that did not want to put boots on the ground in iraq, and i think succes
in iraq, it was done on the ground. i don't see any potential or any kind of limited raid to really make a real difference on the ground. i do see a huge potential for assad to turn around and say, i survived, and you know what i'm going to do now, i'm going to use chemical weapons again, and what are you going to do about it? that's the easiest thing for him to do, and i think it's almost certain that that's what he will do? >> if that does happen, what then? >> well, what concerns...
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now there's a distinction between this and the iraq. i understand all the iraq. we lived through that here. in iraq, intelligence pr ported to suggest that weapons of mass destruction existed. but we didn't know if they existed. and so we had a massive invasion in order to try to find out if they existed and we found out they didn't. here we have weapons of mass destruction that we not only know do exist, they have been used. not once, not twice, not three times, but multiple times. we will estimate in the teens and the opposition estimates is more than that. now we have this most recent use of weapons of mass destruction in contravention of nearly 100 years of a prohibition against their use. >> i don't think that's the dispute. the dispute is not that the correlation in intelligence. >> the dispute is what are you going to do about it. >> the military to influence the reality on the ground. >> the dispute is what are you prepared to do about it. if you believe by doing nothing you are going to stand up for the norm and somehow reduce the threat of the use at so
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and he said this was not another iraq. let's listen. >> we are especially sensitive, chuck and i, to never again asking any member of congress to take a vote on faulty intelligence. and that is why our intelligence community has scrubbed and rescrubbed the evidence. we have declassified unprecedented amounts of information. and we ask the american people and the rest of the world to judge that information. we know what happened. for all the lawyers, for all the former prosecutors, for all those who have sat on a jury, i can tell you that we know these things beyond the reasonable doubt that is the standard by which we send people to jail for the rest of their lives. >> let me go to peter beinart. do you believe if we attack syria, hoping to send a signal not to use nuclear weapons again, that this will be the last act of war we commit against them? >> we can't know that. as you were saying earlier, the international crisis group said that if assad felt like his regime was in peril of falling, he might use chemical weapons
and he said this was not another iraq. let's listen. >> we are especially sensitive, chuck and i, to never again asking any member of congress to take a vote on faulty intelligence. and that is why our intelligence community has scrubbed and rescrubbed the evidence. we have declassified unprecedented amounts of information. and we ask the american people and the rest of the world to judge that information. we know what happened. for all the lawyers, for all the former prosecutors, for all...
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now, there's a distinction between this and iraq. i understand all the iraq, you know, we lived through that here. in iraq, intelligence purported to suggest that weapons of mass destruction existed. but we didn't know if they existed. so we had a massive invasion in order to try to find out if they existed and we found out they didn't. here we have weapons of mass destruction that we not only know do exist, they have been used. not once, not twice, not three times, but multiple times. we estimate in the teens and the opposition estimates more than that. and now we have this most recent use of weapons of mass destruction and contravention of nearly a hundred years of a prohibition against their use. >> yeah, but that's -- i don't think that's the dispute. the dispute is not the correlation -- >> the dispute is, what are you going to do about it? the dispute is, what are you prepared to do about it? that's the dispute. if you believe that by doing nothing, you are going to stand up for the norm and somehow reduce the threat of the use
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but it was used to justify the invasion of iraq and a few months later they found knotting in iraq and now they are repeating the same game. >> russia is helping syria make the case. the russian foreign minister says moscow has received the intelligence file from washington about the alleged use of chemical weapons and that moscow finds it unconvincing. meanwhile, the syrian rebels, those fighting against bashar al assad and the millions of syrian refugees are kwiept disheartened by the delay. >> we're urging the united states congress to move swiftly and to give president obama the vote that he asked for. north korea and iran are watching very closely what happens in the u.s. congress. it will be a very dangerous message if congress decides not to move with president obama. >> they believe that if the alleged use or the confirmed eyes of chemical weapons does not trigger international action after two and a half yourself, nothing will. richard engel, nbc news. >>> and nightly news will have more on the impending cry sansd the latest on the members of congress getting intelligence brie
but it was used to justify the invasion of iraq and a few months later they found knotting in iraq and now they are repeating the same game. >> russia is helping syria make the case. the russian foreign minister says moscow has received the intelligence file from washington about the alleged use of chemical weapons and that moscow finds it unconvincing. meanwhile, the syrian rebels, those fighting against bashar al assad and the millions of syrian refugees are kwiept disheartened by the...
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this is not iraq, this is not afghanistan. this is a limited proportional step that will send a clear message. >> andrea, seems to me after having made kind of a dog's breakfast of the weekend politically and from a communications standpoint that the administration kind of regained some footing this morning if you look at the coverage across the board. in the hearing today, seemed that kerry and hagel at least made a better case than they had made before. yesterday we thought the resolution would not pass congress. what are your thoughts now? >> i still am highly skeptical that it will. i think president obama needs to do an oval office address if he really feels this is necessary and take it to the american people. we are a war weary country. if you supported iraq, maybe you can change your mind. maybe a lot of people have changed their mind and i think the country has, a lot of people have, so i think he needs to make that case. it is not whether or not we get involved in a civil war, the case is whether or not we get involv
this is not iraq, this is not afghanistan. this is a limited proportional step that will send a clear message. >> andrea, seems to me after having made kind of a dog's breakfast of the weekend politically and from a communications standpoint that the administration kind of regained some footing this morning if you look at the coverage across the board. in the hearing today, seemed that kerry and hagel at least made a better case than they had made before. yesterday we thought the...
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there is a massive funding crisis here in iraq and across the region. the unacr and the refugee agency told us in iraq they have a third of the money they need to cope with the refugees and promised more money by the international community and the money has not arrived and save the xhirn is working hearsay we are up to capacity at the moment and any more refugees means we are going to go to the international community and they have not given the money they promised for more money and seems unlikely at the moment so a real funding crisis and a nightmare for the people that are here already and the kinds of things we hear and the kinds of conditions the people are living in are incredibly tough and incredibly difficult. now these people do want to go home and want a peaceful syria but that is one thing the 8 agencies and the kurd government cannot offer them. at the moment they are relieved to get here and escape and find some sort of peace but that doesn't last long and they become frustrated quickly and the frustration angers when we have seen riots no
there is a massive funding crisis here in iraq and across the region. the unacr and the refugee agency told us in iraq they have a third of the money they need to cope with the refugees and promised more money by the international community and the money has not arrived and save the xhirn is working hearsay we are up to capacity at the moment and any more refugees means we are going to go to the international community and they have not given the money they promised for more money and seems...
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out -- in iraq, sure, eventually the word came down, everybody agreed. then we found out there was disagreement. to your knowledge, did they all come to the same conclusion, their various intelligence agencies? >> to my knowledge -- i have no knowledge of any agency that was a dissenter or anybody who had an alternative theory, and i do know, i think it's safe to say, that they had a whole team that ran a scenario to try to test their theory to see if there was any possibility that they could come up with an alternative view as to who might have done it, and the answer is they have not. >> last question on intel, and russia. i read -- i don't know if this is true or falls but i read in one of the publications today that members of the russian parliament were going to come here to lobby colleagues here, to tell colleagues here, that there is no such intelligence, that there is no proof. i myself met with the russian ambassador several times on this matter, and i knew right away, a long time ago, they were going to do nothing to help us. but what are they
out -- in iraq, sure, eventually the word came down, everybody agreed. then we found out there was disagreement. to your knowledge, did they all come to the same conclusion, their various intelligence agencies? >> to my knowledge -- i have no knowledge of any agency that was a dissenter or anybody who had an alternative theory, and i do know, i think it's safe to say, that they had a whole team that ran a scenario to try to test their theory to see if there was any possibility that they...
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over the years that followed, over 180 countries, including iran, iraq, and russia, agreed and joined the chemical weapons convention. even countries with whom we agree on little agreed on that conviction. now, some have tried to suggest that the debate we're having today is about president obama's red line. i could not more forcefully state that is just plain and simply wrong. this debate is about the world's red line. it's about humanity's red line. and it's a red line that anyone with a conscience ought to draw. this debate is also about congress' own red line. you, the united states congress, agreed to the chemical weapons convention. you, the united states congress, passed the syria accountability act, which says syria's chemical weapons are, quote, threatening the security of the middle east and national security interests of the united states. you, the congress, have spoken out about grave consequences if assad in particular used chemical weapons. so i say to you, senator corker, that is one of the reasons why syria is important. as we debate and the world watches, as you decid
over the years that followed, over 180 countries, including iran, iraq, and russia, agreed and joined the chemical weapons convention. even countries with whom we agree on little agreed on that conviction. now, some have tried to suggest that the debate we're having today is about president obama's red line. i could not more forcefully state that is just plain and simply wrong. this debate is about the world's red line. it's about humanity's red line. and it's a red line that anyone with a...
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i think that you've seen individuals lose elections as a result of how they voted on the iraq war. so it absolutely did. people want to make sure that we're doing the right thing and he's doing it for the right reasons. they don't want to do the wrong thing. as i said, a lot of members of congress who voted for the iraq war say to me today that that was the worst vote that they've ever taken, and they wish -- if there's any vote to take back in their congressional career, it was that vote. they want to make sure they're making the right vote this time, and we don't -- i can tell you i don't want assad to get away with utilizing chemical weapons, but i think that there's an international affront, and we need to answer this internationally, and then it speaks to anyone else that wants to utilize it. they know that the world will come together and condemn them and collectively take action against such horrific crimes against humanity as using chemical warfare. >> congressman, thank you very much. we appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> there's new evidence that the united king come grant
i think that you've seen individuals lose elections as a result of how they voted on the iraq war. so it absolutely did. people want to make sure that we're doing the right thing and he's doing it for the right reasons. they don't want to do the wrong thing. as i said, a lot of members of congress who voted for the iraq war say to me today that that was the worst vote that they've ever taken, and they wish -- if there's any vote to take back in their congressional career, it was that vote. they...
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this is not iraq, and this is not afghanistan. this is a limited, proportional step that will send a clear message not only to the assad regime but also to other countries that may be interested in testing some of these international norms that there are consequences. >> randall pinkston joins us live from washington with more. randall, the drums are beating louder and in unison at this hour. >> reporter: yes indeed, they are, dale. president obama said this morning that he believes and he wants to make sure that there is unified action with respect to any strike against syria. he met with 16 members of congressional leadership along with his national security staff, and this morning he picked up a key vote of support from republican house speaker john boehner. >> this is something that the united states, as a country, needs to do. i'm going to support the president's call for action. i believe that my colleagues should support this call for action. >> reporter: in addition to speaker boehner, who is the speaker of the entire hous
this is not iraq, and this is not afghanistan. this is a limited, proportional step that will send a clear message not only to the assad regime but also to other countries that may be interested in testing some of these international norms that there are consequences. >> randall pinkston joins us live from washington with more. randall, the drums are beating louder and in unison at this hour. >> reporter: yes indeed, they are, dale. president obama said this morning that he believes...
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i remember iraq. secretary hagel remembers iraq. general dempsey especially remembers iraq. remember hagel when i -- and i remember iraq in a special way because we were here for that vote. we are especially sensitive to never again asking any member of congress to take a vote on faulty intelligence. that is why our intelligence committee has scrubbed and re- scrub the evidence. we have declassified unprecedented amounts of information and we asked the ofrican people and the rest the world to judge that information. we can tell you beyond any reasonable doubt that our evidence proves the regime prepared for this attack, issued instructions to prepare for this attack, warrant its own forces to use gas masks. we have physical evidence of where the rockets came from and when. not one that rocket landed in regime-controlled territory. not one. all of them landed in opposition control or contested territory. we have a map, physical evidence showing every geographical impact, and that is concrete. within minutes of the attack, 90 to be precise, maybe slightly shorter, social media
i remember iraq. secretary hagel remembers iraq. general dempsey especially remembers iraq. remember hagel when i -- and i remember iraq in a special way because we were here for that vote. we are especially sensitive to never again asking any member of congress to take a vote on faulty intelligence. that is why our intelligence committee has scrubbed and re- scrub the evidence. we have declassified unprecedented amounts of information and we asked the ofrican people and the rest the world to...
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some of them i'm sure have brought up the issue of iraq. how much does iraq shadow and impact your vote and the debate that is happening right now? >> kristen, i've heard from many delawareans particularly yesterday when i was at public events, that are very concerned. we're as a nation weary of war. nobody is more weary than delawareans with a record number of national guard in afghanistan. dover delaware is the home to which every fallen american in iraq and afghanistan first returns to the dover air force base mortuary. i think we share a national sense of weariness with war. i have and all of congress has a chal toelenge to inform and edu differences, real differences between iraq and syria. we have been actively engaged in syria. we've worked hard as a nation diplomatically over the last two years. russians arming and financing and supporting assad have blocked our efforts in the u.n. and have sustained his efforts in the battlefield. the visit i made to a syrian refugee camp reinforces the point your viewers heard in the previous segm
some of them i'm sure have brought up the issue of iraq. how much does iraq shadow and impact your vote and the debate that is happening right now? >> kristen, i've heard from many delawareans particularly yesterday when i was at public events, that are very concerned. we're as a nation weary of war. nobody is more weary than delawareans with a record number of national guard in afghanistan. dover delaware is the home to which every fallen american in iraq and afghanistan first returns to...
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now i remember iraq. secretary hagel remembers iraq, we remember it in a special way because we were here on that vote. we voted. we were especially sensitive chuck and i never again to ask any member of congress to take a vote on faulty intelligence. that's why our intelligence community has scrubbed and rescrubbed the evidence. we have declassified unprecedented amounts of information, and we ask the american people and the rest of the world to judge that information. we can tell you beyond any reasonable doubt that our evidence proves the assad regime prepared for this attack, issued instructions to prepare for this attack, warned it's own forces to use gas masks. we have physical evidence of where the rockets came from, and when. not one rocket landed in regime-controlled territory, not one. all of them landed in opposition-controlled or con tested territory. we have a map, physical evidence showing every geographical point of impact, and that is concrete. within minutes of the attack, 90 to be precis
now i remember iraq. secretary hagel remembers iraq, we remember it in a special way because we were here on that vote. we voted. we were especially sensitive chuck and i never again to ask any member of congress to take a vote on faulty intelligence. that's why our intelligence community has scrubbed and rescrubbed the evidence. we have declassified unprecedented amounts of information, and we ask the american people and the rest of the world to judge that information. we can tell you beyond...
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when you lead up to the iraq in 2002 and frankly there is a joke. colin powell had much more intelligence to put out there, it was wrong in the end but he had a much more sturdy case than what is being presented today. >> we'll go into this more with intor richard butler. russia's calling for president obama'presidentobama's nobel pee are rejekded. listen to this. >> the u.n. cannot galvanize the world to act as it should. >> you were on the romney campaign, he said that russia was our number one geopolitical foe, he got some flak about that. what needs to be done in order to try to have them not be our number one geopolitical foe? >> the governor was right then and he's right now, the russians have acted on the side of every bad actor. president obama promised putin flexibility after the election. he tried oreset relations with russia. we haven't gotten anywhere whether it's on a nuclear proliferation or nuclear arms reduction proposal with iran's nuclear program, with syria, and it is ironic. i don't find myself agreeing with senator kerry or secr
when you lead up to the iraq in 2002 and frankly there is a joke. colin powell had much more intelligence to put out there, it was wrong in the end but he had a much more sturdy case than what is being presented today. >> we'll go into this more with intor richard butler. russia's calling for president obama'presidentobama's nobel pee are rejekded. listen to this. >> the u.n. cannot galvanize the world to act as it should. >> you were on the romney campaign, he said that...
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this is not iraq and this is not afghanistan. this is a limited proportional step that will send a clear message, not only t to the assad regime but also to other countries that may be interested in testing some of these international norms that there are consequences. it gives us the ability to degrade assad's capabilities when it comes to chemical weapons. it also fits into a broader strategy that we have to make sure that we can bring about, over time, the kind of strengthening of the opposition and the diplomatic and economic and political pressure required so that ultimately we have a transition that can bring peace and stability not only to syria but to the region. but i want to emphasize once again what we are envisioning is something limited, it is something proportional, it will degrade assad's capabilities at the same time we have a broader strategy that will allow us to upgrade the capabilities of the opposition, allow syria ultimately to free itself from the kinds of terrible civil wars and death and activity that we'
this is not iraq and this is not afghanistan. this is a limited proportional step that will send a clear message, not only t to the assad regime but also to other countries that may be interested in testing some of these international norms that there are consequences. it gives us the ability to degrade assad's capabilities when it comes to chemical weapons. it also fits into a broader strategy that we have to make sure that we can bring about, over time, the kind of strengthening of the...
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a supporter of hamas, hezbollah and a supporter of al qaeda in iraq, the same al qaeda in iraq responsible for the death and maiming of countless brave young men and women who served our country in uniform. it's also of interest because of the instability this is creating in syria, instability that's allowing portions of syria to quickly become kind of what afghanistan was before 9/11. the premier operational space for global jis jihadists to come train and fight and plan attacks in the future. added to that is this chemical attack which undermines and the post world war ii world order which basically said that these things are unacceptable. allies that look at the united states and our capabilities of living up to our security promises is all at risk as a result of all of this. this is why what happens in syria matters to our international interest, why it's so clearly tied to a critical national security interest of the united states. by the way, most if not all of this was true two years ago when i joined other voices on this committee and in the senate and beyond that advocated at that
a supporter of hamas, hezbollah and a supporter of al qaeda in iraq, the same al qaeda in iraq responsible for the death and maiming of countless brave young men and women who served our country in uniform. it's also of interest because of the instability this is creating in syria, instability that's allowing portions of syria to quickly become kind of what afghanistan was before 9/11. the premier operational space for global jis jihadists to come train and fight and plan attacks in the future....
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. >> this is not iraq, and this is not afghanistan. this is a limited, proportional step that will send a clear message not only to the assad regime but also to other countries that may be interested in testing some of these international norms, that there are consequences. >> he won over a fierce critic -- the republican leader of the republican-controlled house, the place where so many of president obama's plans have met their death. >> this is something that the united states as a country needs to do. i'm going to support the president's call for action. i believe that my colleagues should support this call for action. >> on capitol hill where politicians are returning to work today, that may mean an important endorsement, although this is being counted as a vote of conscience, not along party lines. the question to all these politicians is -- how are you going to vote? the administration is walking a tight walk here making its argument because someone to hear that obama is for family serious about changing what is happening in syri
. >> this is not iraq, and this is not afghanistan. this is a limited, proportional step that will send a clear message not only to the assad regime but also to other countries that may be interested in testing some of these international norms, that there are consequences. >> he won over a fierce critic -- the republican leader of the republican-controlled house, the place where so many of president obama's plans have met their death. >> this is something that the united...
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now, i remember iraq. secretary hagel remembers iraq. general dempsey especially remembers iraq, but secretary hagel and i and many of you sitting here remember iraq in a special way because we were here for that vote. we voted. so we are especially sensitive, chuck and i, to never again asking any member of congress to take a vote on faulty intelligence. and that is why our intelligence community has scrubbed and rescrubbed the evidence. we have declassified unprecedented amounts of information, and we ask the american people and the rest of the world to judge that information. we can tell you beyond any reasonable doubt that our evidence proves the assad regime prepared for this attack, issued instructions to prepare for this attack, warned its own forces to use gas masks. we have physical evidence of where the rockets came from and when. not one rocket landed in regime-controlled territory, not one. all of them landed in opposition-controlled or contested territory. we have a map, physical evidence, showing every geograph geographical
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. >> this is iraq are there weapons of mass destruction. no, they have them and used them against civilians. i think we have to take steps that the use of chemical weapons against civilians has a consequence. >> if we get syria wrong and show a weakness here regarding assad's chemical weapons utilization, you're almost ensuring a war between israeli and iran over their nuclear program and we will certainly get drawn that. >> i did not draw the red line and say if you crossed this, we for sure are going to do something. >> members of congress don't officially return to d.c. until next week, but committees are heading back for classified briefings. 100 took a conference call and 80 to a classified briefing on sunday. today the united nations says the number of refugees leaving syria is more than 2 million. that is close to 5,000 syrians fleeing the war-torn country every day. the u.n. calls it the greatest tragedy of this century. i want to bring in two guests. tough sale the president has here the next few days. he has to compress his schedu
. >> this is iraq are there weapons of mass destruction. no, they have them and used them against civilians. i think we have to take steps that the use of chemical weapons against civilians has a consequence. >> if we get syria wrong and show a weakness here regarding assad's chemical weapons utilization, you're almost ensuring a war between israeli and iran over their nuclear program and we will certainly get drawn that. >> i did not draw the red line and say if you crossed...
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this is not iraq. and this is not afghanistan. this is a limited proportional step that will send a clear message not only to the assad regime but also to other countries that may be interested in testing some of these international norms, that there are consequences. >> we have also heard from the syria government today - the country said un ambassador spoke a while ago challenging military action. >> who appointed the american administration to anticipate on the outcome and the findings of the mission of investigation? how could the united states of america act unilaterally speaking from outside the context of the united nations? who asked mr obama to be the bully of the world? why not waiting until the investigative team is finalised and completed its mission of investigation? >> meantime members of the obama administration have been fielding cens on capital -- questions on cap till hill. we have monitored the testimony. libby, the panel told the senators in no uncertainly terms that a vote against the resolution would have dir
this is not iraq. and this is not afghanistan. this is a limited proportional step that will send a clear message not only to the assad regime but also to other countries that may be interested in testing some of these international norms, that there are consequences. >> we have also heard from the syria government today - the country said un ambassador spoke a while ago challenging military action. >> who appointed the american administration to anticipate on the outcome and the...
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now, i remember iraq. secretary hagel remembers iraq. general dempsey, especially, remembers iraq, but secretary hagel and i and many of you on the dais remember iraq because we were here for that vote. we vote. and we're socially especially sensitive, chuck and i to never ask a member of congress to take vote on faulty intelligence, and that's why our intelligence community has scrubbed and rescrubbed the evidence. we have declassified unprecedented amounts of information, and we ask the american people and the rest of the world to judge that information. we can tell you beyond any reasonable doubt that our evidence proves the assad regime prepared for this atacoma issued instructions to prepare for this attack, warned its own forces to use gas masks, that we have physical evidence of where the rockets came from and when. not one rocket landed in regime-controlled territory. not one. all of them landed in opposition-controlled, or contested territory. we have a map, physical evidence, showing every geographical point of impact. and that
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troops in iraq, very similar type of encampments, container camps are the kind we're seeing in turkey, so definitely a much bigger picture than other countries. what we're seeing here though is if you still talk to people here, the reality of being a refugee is still a very grim reality and they still like to go home. this is a country after all that at one point said it would only be able to take 100,000 refugees, now ending up with some half million refugees. just to give you an idea, that's almost the size of an american city, the population of atlanta, georgia, for example or sacramento, california. >> i guess the question has to be asked and you put it in great terms comparing it to a u.s. city, how is the government coping with this flow of people coming in across their borders? the turkish government said over the past two years since it has to deal with this refugee crisis, it has spent roughly 2 billion u.s. dollars, saying it's time for the international community to step up, because even if its economy can deal with this compared to the economies of the other countries, it'
troops in iraq, very similar type of encampments, container camps are the kind we're seeing in turkey, so definitely a much bigger picture than other countries. what we're seeing here though is if you still talk to people here, the reality of being a refugee is still a very grim reality and they still like to go home. this is a country after all that at one point said it would only be able to take 100,000 refugees, now ending up with some half million refugees. just to give you an idea, that's...
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let's go to emron in northern iraq where the refugees just keep coming. >> that's right. they are streaming across the border at a rate of about a thousand people a day. let me show you a visible example of how this camp has grown. when i first started reporting from here two weeks ago it was 34 and it goes across the hill. you can see just the way and the tents have changed color and the longer they have been here. 52000 people have come across in the last two weeks so far. that means that the total refugee population here is about 200,000, so a significant number. now the conditions these people live in are very, very grim. the camp is actually still being built and the united nation refugee agency says it faces a funding crisis globally and what does it mean for the camp in particular? i'm joined from a local representative here, what do you need to make the camp up to scratch 100%? >> basically we need the very basic things, support which is financial and also practical because first of all we have to also expand the camp. it's getting not enough and getting small for
let's go to emron in northern iraq where the refugees just keep coming. >> that's right. they are streaming across the border at a rate of about a thousand people a day. let me show you a visible example of how this camp has grown. when i first started reporting from here two weeks ago it was 34 and it goes across the hill. you can see just the way and the tents have changed color and the longer they have been here. 52000 people have come across in the last two weeks so far. that means...
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. >> this is not iraq and it's not afghanistan. this is a limited proportional step. it will send a message to syria and other countries that may be interested in testing these norms. >> president obama is confident he'll get congress to back his plan. others are pushing for them to vote. >> assad did it and hundreds of children were killed. this is behavior outside the circle of civilized human behavior. we must respond. >> this is something that the unites states as a...
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this guy had come back from iraq. he had an assault rifle. and he said that he just he just needed to hear he was he was stressed and ordered to relax he just needed to hear the sound of gunfire. right first or kicking down doors and going to. kick down a door in their own scared and i was kind of exciting definitely fun. with it i just kind of just go back in the swing of things but i think our hopes. is trying to lighten up. someone says something to me. and more. i may get more. but i never knew anything about his you know that p s t v. so i never knew we had all those those problems are nothing and. some people come back from deployments they're just you know unless they're. they're hiding they're really good at it all of a sudden just. you know in the. in the afternoon i came. in. his truck was in the driveway parked it in crazy and everything it's like i only went out last night or something and i come in and unlock the door and. usually just lock the bottom and. a lock it walk in through the door. it happened right here. and walk in. y
this guy had come back from iraq. he had an assault rifle. and he said that he just he just needed to hear he was he was stressed and ordered to relax he just needed to hear the sound of gunfire. right first or kicking down doors and going to. kick down a door in their own scared and i was kind of exciting definitely fun. with it i just kind of just go back in the swing of things but i think our hopes. is trying to lighten up. someone says something to me. and more. i may get more. but i never...
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closer to iraq and afghanistan if we use an analogy at all. what does the u.s. stand for if we don't stand for this humanitarian crisis? >> given what the president has said and committed to doing and what the secretary of state so eloquently described a couple of days ago, i think the u.s. has no option but to attack syria, but the president has already said it's going to be a limited objective attack and, therefore, we can can conclude it's a demonstration of what our resolve is without any indication that we have any resolve, other than this punitive attack. i don't think we are committed to do anything, other than attack, fixed or mobile installations, some of which will be repaired in two to three months and maybe continue to attack them with guided missiles. otherwise, wernts going to get involved in, no matter what the president says. >> gentlemen, thanks so much. mick, we will take your advice to follow what general martin dempsey says coming up today. thank you, sir. >>> this was the end. the extreme dream. i didn't come back after 30 years of retiremen
closer to iraq and afghanistan if we use an analogy at all. what does the u.s. stand for if we don't stand for this humanitarian crisis? >> given what the president has said and committed to doing and what the secretary of state so eloquently described a couple of days ago, i think the u.s. has no option but to attack syria, but the president has already said it's going to be a limited objective attack and, therefore, we can can conclude it's a demonstration of what our resolve is without...
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>> well, first of all i distinguish iraq and afghanistan for a lot of reasons but going back to iraq itself, what has changed now is that there is a global terrorist network now which is much more threatening now to us than 'twas five, 10, 15 years ago. so the possibility that weapons would be transferred to a terrorist group now with a global reach is a very different and more threatening situation to us than it was before. that does not defend our failures before, particularly would the use of chemical weapons by iraq, but i am saying that it is a much different situation now than it was 10 or 15 or 20 years ago. >> senator carl levin of michigan. thank you very much. >> good being with you, glenn. >> woodruff: still to come on the newshour, stemming the radioactive leaks in japan; merging tech and telecom giants; inspiring african american boys in oakland; and secretary of labor thomas perez. but first, the other news of the day. here's kwame holman. >> holman: the sporadic violence in baghdad surged again today. at least 67 iraqis died in a series of bombings in the early evening
>> well, first of all i distinguish iraq and afghanistan for a lot of reasons but going back to iraq itself, what has changed now is that there is a global terrorist network now which is much more threatening now to us than 'twas five, 10, 15 years ago. so the possibility that weapons would be transferred to a terrorist group now with a global reach is a very different and more threatening situation to us than it was before. that does not defend our failures before, particularly would the...
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would it be southern iraq, the basra region? >> well, actually, the southern iraq region is a bit away. what we're more concerned about is iraq's northern export capacity. that's the part that goes up right off the syrian border through surky out to -- >> but this is the kirkuk. >> this is the kirkuk pipeline. >> there isn't a lot of oil coming through there. >> plus some azerbaijani oil comes there across turkey as well. it's nearby. that'll be the most in play. i think most of us in the oil market are more concerned about does israel get dragged into it via a rocket strike of some kind? that automatically gets the u.s. deeper into it. >> it's just a conflagration effect, it becomes a much bigger action -- >> the real risk is northern iraq oil, 100 million barrels per day plus supply coming across -- >> i didn't realize it was as much as a million and a half barrels a day. ron kruszewski, another odd thing about this story, the federal reserve meeting september 17th and 18th, next week you'll get to hearings and a vote on the s
would it be southern iraq, the basra region? >> well, actually, the southern iraq region is a bit away. what we're more concerned about is iraq's northern export capacity. that's the part that goes up right off the syrian border through surky out to -- >> but this is the kirkuk. >> this is the kirkuk pipeline. >> there isn't a lot of oil coming through there. >> plus some azerbaijani oil comes there across turkey as well. it's nearby. that'll be the most in play. i...
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to long-term democracy in iraq and there isn't any long-term democracy looks like. they see as walking out of afghanistan with no confidence in american foreign policy whatsoever and if we do or don't strike we will strike awful weight if we do strike, just another indication we are pretty weak, we are not viewed with respect or fear. dagen: are you suggesting it doesn't matter what we do? >> this is so complex i try to listen to everybody's opinion and finally realized our national strategic interest, the thing we need to be concerned about is chemical weapons, not whether assad uses them but whether they fall in the hands of the people who are trying to oust him. there are a lot of islamists, al qaeda, people out of iraq we fought against before. a lot of truly bad people fighting against assad and perhaps overpowering the moderate forces fighting against assad. our problem is chemical weapons in the hands of the wrong people and being used against israel. whatever works strike we may take, evokes a response from syria, iran or hezbollah, we could suddenly with no
to long-term democracy in iraq and there isn't any long-term democracy looks like. they see as walking out of afghanistan with no confidence in american foreign policy whatsoever and if we do or don't strike we will strike awful weight if we do strike, just another indication we are pretty weak, we are not viewed with respect or fear. dagen: are you suggesting it doesn't matter what we do? >> this is so complex i try to listen to everybody's opinion and finally realized our national...
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it would be another iraq. he goes on to argue that those arguments essentially missed the point and the syria debate in his words is exposing the isolationist worm eating its way through the g.o.p. apple. fred is here with us for more on that. what do you mean by that? >> the republican partied, way back in the day in the 1930's and early 1940's was the party that opposed any intervention in europe, really right until we were hit at pearl harbor and then under robert taft was opposed to our membership in nato. i think most americans would a degree it's a good thing we entered the war, stayed western civilization and defeated communism but that never went away and i see this boiling up again in the syria debate. i think a lot of republicans have sincere concerns and they're agagenuine about the confidence of the commander of chief, the job that needs to be done with asad. but there's a second line that says the president has no right to go to war without congressional authorization or this is a civil war in whi
it would be another iraq. he goes on to argue that those arguments essentially missed the point and the syria debate in his words is exposing the isolationist worm eating its way through the g.o.p. apple. fred is here with us for more on that. what do you mean by that? >> the republican partied, way back in the day in the 1930's and early 1940's was the party that opposed any intervention in europe, really right until we were hit at pearl harbor and then under robert taft was opposed to...
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i think everybody understands that iraq left a lot of folks reeling for some period of time. so it is appropriate to ask the questions you've asked, but please try to let me emphasise. this is not sending a message per se. this is having an effect, an impact. this is taking action to achieve something more than just a message. it is to degrade his current capacity, to make it harder for him to do that in the future, and it will facilitate our ability to hold him accountable in the future if he does. he will know that. this will affect his calculation. that's number one, not just a message. >> by degrading his capacity, don't you make him weaker and the people out there, like alnusera and al qaeda and other extremist forces stronger. this is what i want general dempsey to talk about too. before you answer that, could you answer that - by degrading him, you make the extremists' forces stronger, do you not? >> no, i don't believe you do. as a matter of fact, i think you actually make the opposition stronger. the opposition is getting stronger by the day now. and i think general
i think everybody understands that iraq left a lot of folks reeling for some period of time. so it is appropriate to ask the questions you've asked, but please try to let me emphasise. this is not sending a message per se. this is having an effect, an impact. this is taking action to achieve something more than just a message. it is to degrade his current capacity, to make it harder for him to do that in the future, and it will facilitate our ability to hold him accountable in the future if he...
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look at this region, iraq in disarray, sectarian violence within iraq and now as we know exporting jihadi influences, and extremists if with their own jihadi influence in the sinai. whether for practical reasons or the level of trust in the united states's motives, i didn't hear anyone who had confidence that the united states could act effectively and doing it with the region's best interests at heart. >> brown: what about the president's speech over the weekend, while he wants to do it, he will wait for congress, what reaction did you get to that? >>warner:: to the average man ton street that had barely penetrated, parliamentarians, people of that type i had spoke to, they were split. that really conveys a sort of weakness. president obama may say it's because of the american democratic system and the reasons he gave. but here in some quarters it was seen as a sign of weakness but another person an activist, a proare democracy activist, when you have power show power not weakness. there is a little bit of a split on that but really, that's not the important prix through which people are
look at this region, iraq in disarray, sectarian violence within iraq and now as we know exporting jihadi influences, and extremists if with their own jihadi influence in the sinai. whether for practical reasons or the level of trust in the united states's motives, i didn't hear anyone who had confidence that the united states could act effectively and doing it with the region's best interests at heart. >> brown: what about the president's speech over the weekend, while he wants to do it,...
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they feel that iraq -- we got rushed into it. you can say that everybody had the same information, no one doctored anything. but in retrospeck the search for weapons of mass destruction, even though we knew in the past saddam hussein used chemical weapons, that reading for getting involved in war was wrong. your saying the world doesn't understand our hesitancy. >> well, think that may be one thing, neil are but i also want to make absolutely certain that everyone understands that what i am saying is, i am not, under any circumstance, almost, for going to war in syria. for putting our men and women back in another war zone. >> why not? why doesn't this pass the litmus test? >> we do not have a national security interest in syria. >> so the humanitarian interest of people getting gassed, that doesn't matter. >> no, no. >> people are getting killed all the time. the method is what is particularly appalling here. right? >> yeah, well, no. no. look, i spend my entire career trying to develop intelligence save lives. hopefully when i
they feel that iraq -- we got rushed into it. you can say that everybody had the same information, no one doctored anything. but in retrospeck the search for weapons of mass destruction, even though we knew in the past saddam hussein used chemical weapons, that reading for getting involved in war was wrong. your saying the world doesn't understand our hesitancy. >> well, think that may be one thing, neil are but i also want to make absolutely certain that everyone understands that what i...
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and members of the military particularly the last five thousand killed fighting the same groups in iraq that we are advocating that we support in syria so members of the military from either side and there are clear divisions in the military both the left and the right none of them have any reason to want to support syrian rebels president obama has got himself painted into a corner there is no way out. and while in the syrian capital the prospect of u.s. led strikes is not what scaring people the most autism or if international response now from damascus. we were last time in damascus a year ago now we returned and we decided to meet some of the people we've previously interviewed for our report but sadly many of them have either fled the chaos or were killed one of those who died was hamad rafia yon very successful very famous actor who was also another and activist he chose wards to defend his country and he was killed for that part of our. though. the movie was never learned that we learn we met muhammad in july two thousand and twelve during the filming of one of the most popular s
and members of the military particularly the last five thousand killed fighting the same groups in iraq that we are advocating that we support in syria so members of the military from either side and there are clear divisions in the military both the left and the right none of them have any reason to want to support syrian rebels president obama has got himself painted into a corner there is no way out. and while in the syrian capital the prospect of u.s. led strikes is not what scaring people...
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amount of care and concern president assad government had for the results of the nature invasion of iraq taking in the equivalent proportionately of twenty million refugees it was the united states he won in the syrian capital the prospect of u.s. led strikes is not what scaring people the most efficient reports now from damascus . we were last time in damascus a year ago now we returned and we decided to meet some of the people we've previously interviewed for our report but sadly many of them have either fled the chaos or were killed one of those who died was one hamad rafia yon very successful very famous actor who was also another and activist who chose wards to defend his country and he was killed for that part of our. problem was that. we met muhammad in july two thousand and twelve during the filming of one of the most popular syrian t.v. dramas where he played one of the leading roles syrian series used to be financially backed by the gulf states but after the conflict erupted here those countries vocal critics of the assad regime was jury investments from an industry that's made
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the later stages of the iraq war around about the two thousand and six two thousand and seven . when the united states decided that it wanted to thwart iranian supremacy because of the you know the shiites seem to be the dominant force now after saddam hussein there was a concern in washington that now iran would be the dominant player in the middle east and the united states saudi arabia and israel decided to. join forces with muslim brotherhood the salafi is these alarmists in order to. sunni muslims. strength in the middle east and thereby war to iran and i think that what happened a few years later is that the direct result of this and any the odd thing is that it was in libya they had actually pressured gaddafi to release the various islam is who he had imprisoned largely at the behest of the united states and as part of the war on terror the extraordinary rendition program and so these very same people that gadhafi had released then joined forces with the united states and nato and sold to topple the regime and much the same is going on in syria where again the united stat
the later stages of the iraq war around about the two thousand and six two thousand and seven . when the united states decided that it wanted to thwart iranian supremacy because of the you know the shiites seem to be the dominant force now after saddam hussein there was a concern in washington that now iran would be the dominant player in the middle east and the united states saudi arabia and israel decided to. join forces with muslim brotherhood the salafi is these alarmists in order to. sunni...
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syria and members of the military particularly lost five thousand killed fighting the same groups in iraq that we are advocating that we support in syria so members of the military from either side and there are clear divisions in the military both the left and the right none of them have any reason to want to support syrian rebels president obama has got himself painted into a corner there is no way out the syrian crisis and the threat of a military strike of forcing an increasing number of people to flee the woman zone the number of refugees now in neighboring countries is already exceeding two million with the u.n. calling the exodus the humanitarian calamity of the sentry or to continue to action returned he's returned he says that the war rhetoric is further exacerbating the plight of those refugees. when one looks at the number of american destroyers the number of missiles tomahawk missiles the cost of all of that historians in the future will be saying why when there was a peace deal on the table to be discussed in geneva did obama destroy and torpedo the peace deal and leave the p
syria and members of the military particularly lost five thousand killed fighting the same groups in iraq that we are advocating that we support in syria so members of the military from either side and there are clear divisions in the military both the left and the right none of them have any reason to want to support syrian rebels president obama has got himself painted into a corner there is no way out the syrian crisis and the threat of a military strike of forcing an increasing number of...
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he's a supporter of hezbollah and al qaeda in iraq. the same al qaeda in iraq that's responsible for the death and maiming of countless brave young men and women who served our country in uniform. it's also of interest to us because of the instability this is creating in syria. instability that's allowing portions of syria to become what afghanistan became before 9/11. the space for global jihadists from abroad to come train and fight and plan attacks for the future. and now added to that is this chemical attack, this undermines the post-world war ii world order, which basically said that these things are unacceptable. and allies that look at the united states and our capabilities of living up to our security promises is all at risk now as a result of all of this. so this is why syria, and what's happening in syria matters to our national interests, why it's so clearly tied to a critical national security interest to the united states. by the way, most, if not all of this was true two years ago, when i joined other voice on this commit
he's a supporter of hezbollah and al qaeda in iraq. the same al qaeda in iraq that's responsible for the death and maiming of countless brave young men and women who served our country in uniform. it's also of interest to us because of the instability this is creating in syria. instability that's allowing portions of syria to become what afghanistan became before 9/11. the space for global jihadists from abroad to come train and fight and plan attacks for the future. and now added to that is...